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OKAY. HOLD UP. 

 I GET that this ship is not everyone’s ship, and I GET that trashing the show, actors, and writers is unacceptable and reflects badly on the fandom, BUT

EXCUSE the fuck out of me, but I’m not going to “move on” or accept destiel as impossible just because it would be ground breaking and risky.

 You know what else was groundbreaking and risky? The first interracial kiss between a white man and a black woman on television in 1968 while the civil rights movement was still going on. Guess which show? Not some serious political drama, but Star Trek. That’s right. A niche television show loved deeply and loyally by its fans. Remind you of anything? That kiss was a risk, but it was also a totally awesome move on the part of the writers, producers, actors, and the NBC. 

Imagine what it would mean for a show starring two stereotypically masculine brothers to have one of them go “wait, maybe this sexuallity stuff is a little more complicated…” in a show about demon hunting. 

This is what happened with Star Trek in 1968, according to Nichelle Nichols, the black woman in question:

We received one of the largest batches of fan mail ever, all of it very positive, with many addressed to me from girls wondering how it felt to kiss Captain Kirk, and many to him from guys wondering the same thing about me. However, almost no one found the kiss offensive” except from a single mildly negative letter from one white Southerner who wrote: “I am totally opposed to the mixing of the races. However, any time a red-blooded American boy like Captain Kirk gets a beautiful dame in his arms that looks like Uhura, he ain’t gonna fight it.”

So I’m optimistic, because despite the risks, a move that bold would have only positive results for the show, the network, and the writers. 

Well said.

It’s also not pleasant to tar all fans with the same brush. We’ve all been there, someone saying “___ fans are crazy! They harass the writers! They spread hate!”. Of course sometimes that happens, but we’re not all the same, and this goes for all ships and all fandoms. It’s not nice to lump everyone together under one big umbrella.

Sure Destiel might not happen. I’m a realistic person. I know it’s a huge leap and maybe Supernatural might not be brave enough to take that leap, but it wouldn’t be a BAD thing if they DID take that leap. May I please address the original post point by point?

… (even if the Producers/Writers wanted to!) the CW is NOT going to give them to go ahead…

Okay so here we’re implying that the CW is deeply homophobic. You’re saying that the CW would never consider showing a canon ‘gay’ couple on screen, but why? It’s not a ratings thing. It really isn’t. You see, even if they WERE worried about losing ratings due to their deep-seated homophobia section in the viewership, it wouldn’t matter if they made Destiel canon in their last season, in the last few episodes. Because what do ratings matter then? So you’re suggesting that the CW itself is homophobic. Which… is probably completely wrong, considering the CW is a ‘limited liability joint venture’ between CBS and Warner Bros. Both reputable, both I have not heard ‘homophobia’ in link with. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not going to cite figures and current shows and so on because I don’t know, but I’m not one to throw the word ‘homophobia’ around like it’s confetti at a parade, so until someone shows me how CW/CBS/Warner Bros are homophobic, I’m gonna say that no, they’re not in general. They just hunt ratings, aim their programming to specific areas (CW is apparently aimed at 18-34 year olds… very specific), and use standard promotion and tools to make sure their shows are popular, naturally.

You’re also implying with the “even if the Producers/Writers wanted to!” that TPTB for Supernatural are also homophobic. Which is drastically wrong. Some maybe are, but trust me the majority are not. I mean seriously. They’re not homophobic. So you’re saying we trash the show and the writers and yet you’ll gladly imply they’re homophobic because they’d never show a same sex relationship on air? That’s really offensive.

…& make their precious Alpha Male character Dean suddenly come ‘out’ as Gay (or Bi)…

I’d probably hand this over to the many people I know who identify with Dean because of their own sexuality, but I’m gonna try to take a crack on it on their behalf, from what they’ve told me many times now, because… why not?

Just because Dean is an ‘alpha male’ (which… okay if you know Dean you know you’re wrong, I’m not even going to start on this and our perception of Dean and John’s influence on him…) doesn’t mean he has to be heterosexual. It doesn’t mean he can’t DOUBT his sexuality. Dean wouldn’t ‘suddenly’ come out. There’s been subtext for a long time about his sexuality not being as it first seems, and in season 8 that subtext is loud and obvious.

So I’d like to say that if Dean did come out as anything other than straight, that you support him in that and understand that just because he’s bi (please he wouldn’t be gay… I think most of us respect that) doesn’t mean he can’t still be a deadly hunter, doesn’t mean he can’t be that manly man figure you look up to and want to sleep with, okay? Okay.

I’ve spoken to many people who identify Dean in such a way that he helped them to come to terms with their own sexuality. People who thought they weren’t bi because they didn’t fit into that box. People who thought they couldn’t be bi because of their parents and how they were raised. Dean gives people hope because even if he never outright says he’s bisexual, there’s enough subtext there for people to rely on, to cling to and treasure. So please don’t belittle his possible bisexuality.

… and put him in a sexual relationship with Castiel.

Just a point that not all Destiel fans just want a sexual relationship. A lot of us would be happy with a strong, emotional relationship between them, for their bond to be acknowledged in other ways. A lot of us would love to see a nice kiss, or for Dean to help Cas more intimately than just… well what we have currently. Or we’d just like those idiots to admit their feelings towards each other.

But twisting back around, what exactly is wrong with them having a sexual relationship? The amount of het sex scenes we’ve had on Supernatural is… well a lot. We saw steamy sex between Sam and Ruby, we saw Dean in the Impala with Anna. So why not Dean and Cas? Because they’re men? I’m afraid that, again, is homophobic.

There doesn’t even have to be an explicit sex scene, I’m sure most of us would be happy with the implication of it, the morning after or the moments before. But dammit, I want same sex sex! I want them to take that jump because it’d be so ground-breaking it’d open up a crater. Yeah it’s unheard of pretty much in this context, and that’s what makes it so amazing. So, I ask you, what would be so bad about it? Is it because your precious views on the manly man Dean Winchester would be skewed if he had a cock up his ass? You wouldn’t, I hope, take that view on people in real life, so why on TV? I’d hope you’d support someone in their decisions if they were a real person so how about we show Dean and Cas some common courtesy.

CW just won’t take that chance!

I’m just going to say I disagree here considering how much Supernatural has already fucked with religion and standard views on the world. I’m just going to put one quote here: “I’m utterly indifferent to sexual orientation.”

Not to mention that the Actors might (possibly) not want to do it!

They’re actors. Not homophobes. Plus have you seen our cast out and about?

Maybe they can (please) stop trashing the Show & the Writers and either just enjoy it (as is) or move on.

Maybe you can stop attacking people for actually enjoying something, for supporting something that would change their lives drastically, make the world a little more bearable. Again you’re tarring people with the same brush. There’s a select minority of people who trash the show and writers, and it’s not just the Destiel fandom. As an example, we have the people who scream and cry and insult the writers because they didn’t get enough moments between Dean and Sam and Castiel dared to have 5 seconds on the screen. We are not the only ones, and we’re not all like that.

Also, and I know I don’t speak for all of us here, which upsets me, but a lot of us DO enjoy the show as it is. We love Supernatural and we’d keep watching even if Destiel didn’t happen, but that doesn’t stop us from supporting it, from campaigning for it and wanting it to happen. We won’t move on, because we don’t need to.

Because I’m 70% sure Destiel is going to happen and it’s only 70% because I know Supernatural’s track record of killing characters off. I believe it’s going to happen, and that isn’t going to change.

I tried to be eloquent and probably failed.

That was actually Sherlock worthy. All the awards.

thank.

I didn’t expect my response to still be doing its rounds this afternoon :P

I’d like to add something.

To anyone who thinks that a gay or bi character in Supernatural can’t happen or can’t be badass: Charlie Bradbury.